Jon Heyman would not stop saying the word “bro.”

Heyman, the typically staid veteran baseball reporter, was live on MLB Network, sitting face to face with a speaking base, displaying a sense of comedic timing I wouldn’t have thought he had. The show was MLB Central and the game was “Just Playin,” a role-play exercise that currently pitted Heyman as Bryce Harper against Matt Vasgersian as the base that injured him.

“I don’t care about your apologies… bro,” Heyman said, prompting raucous laughter in the control room and on set. “I don’t need to be injured by a dangerous base that’s worth 50 cents… bro.”

A few “bros” later, the segment—which also featured a killer Chris Russo impression from Vasgersian—wound to a close. The scene was about as absurd as things get in the straight-laced world of baseball television—or, for that matter, sports television—but it was fairly typical of MLB Central, the live morning show on MLB Network.

MLB Central is not the network’s flagship program—that’s MLB Tonight. And it’s not the network’s most visible program—that’s Intentional Talk, which is simulcast on ESPN. But MLB Central, despite a modest audience, might be the network’s most interesting program.

The three-year-old show, hosted by Mark DeRosa, Matt Vasgersian and Lauren Shehadi, is defiantly different. It airs daily at 10 a.m. ET, opposite ESPN’s First Take and FS1’s Undisputed, and in some ways it serves as a direct response to the debate-show genre. There is no contrived disagreement, no high-pitched debate and, most notably, no pretense that sports are serious enough to pop a blood vessel over. In place of those conventions are irreverent stunts, like Jon Heyman talking to bases.

“None of us take ourselves super seriously,” Vasgersian said later. “We’re just all kind of like that, and the show just evolves like that.”

On Tuesday, I spent a few hours at MLB Network headquarters in Secaucus, New Jersey, stealing an up-close look at a sports talk show that is unlike anything else on its network—or anywhere on sports television.

The typical, time-honored sports studio show format involves one host alongside two or three or four former players, who serve as analysts on everything from awards races to player mechanics. But thanks to the rise of advanced stats and the wider accessibility of sports knowledge, that model has begun to fracture in recent years, with MLB Central among several shows to break that mold. Increasingly, sports shows on MLB Network and elsewhere include a pleasant variety of voices beyond the ex-jock.

MLB Central’s everyday lineup features one non-playing baseball nerd in Vasgersian, one self-proclaimed “casual fan” in Shehadi and one charismatic former player in DeRosa. Some segments feature a second ex-player (on Tuesday it was Ryan Dempster) and other segments include an “insider” (in this case, Heyman). The set-up represents something close to an egalitarian ideal: Many different vantage points on baseball, all given equal respect.

Before Tuesday’s show, I met with senior producer Mark Capalbo, who explained that MLB Central has been shaped by its trio of hosts, who have worked together since the show launched in 2015. They, not the producers, come up with the light-hearted segments at the heart of MLB Central, with Vasgersian the leading idea-generator and DeRosa and Shehadi happy to play any role.

“Going in, they were the three that we thought would be the perfect threesome, and they meshed together really well,” Capalbo said.

But despite its democracy of perspectives, MLB Central has a clear star, and it’s DeRosa, the longtime utility player who retired after the 2013 season and has worked at MLB Network ever since. The 42-year-old checks every box for a sports TV analyst. He’s telegenic, he’s comfortable in front of a camera, he has an appealing sense of humor, and he clearly knows the game. His vaguely frat-boy presentation belies that he’s one of two University of Pennsylvania grads (along with ex-ESPN standout Doug Glanville) to play in the Majors this century. On MLB Central, DeRosa receives the most airtime, speaks the loudest and longest and fronts segments like “Dr. DeRo” and “DeRo’s Deep Dives” that mix absurdist graphics with hard-core baseball analysis.

Early in Tuesday’s show, DeRosa stood in front of a giant screen and excitedly implored Aaron Judge to tuck his hip and avoid “flying open” when he swings. The analysis was a bit manic, but DeRosa’s energy poured through the TV as he spoke in technical terms about the Yankee rookie’s opposite-field power. Then, because this was MLB Central and not, say, MLB Tonight, the segment ended with a joke about Shehadi’s dancing and some banter between Vasgersian and DeRosa on the latter’s seats at Yankee Stadium the previous night.

In many ways, DeRosa reminds me of longtime analyst Harold Reynolds, and if that sounds like a dis, it’s not intended as one. Like Reynolds, DeRosa exudes passion and bubbles with enthusiasm, which sometimes leaves him marble-mouthed but more often makes for fun TV. Unlike Reynolds (and many, many other former-player analysts) DeRosa embraces statistics, even ones that don’t appear on baseball cards. Midway through Tuesday’s show, he began to cite a player’s batting average, then cut himself off mid-sentence to say he prefers OPS.

Not every former player would be comfortable playing the jock, the jokester and the stat guy all on one TV show. DeRosa told me after the show that his whole life prepared him to take a well-rounded view of baseball, from his days watching games with his dad to his time as a young player with the Atlanta Braves.

“I remember sitting at Yankee games with [my dad], and he’d quiz me on how Mattingly was pitched in the first and how they would attack him in the fifth,” DeRosa said. “And then coming up as a utility player, I spent a lot of time on the bench, sitting with Greg Maddux and John Smoltz and Leo Mazzone and all the coaches. I would constantly watch the games through their eyes. And then you hang around long enough and you meet GMs and owners, and then you’re like, ‘How do they tick?’ I’ve always looked at it like, I was never the most naturally gifted, so I had to beat you in other ways, so I just grew to love the game from all different aspects of it.”

Everyone I asked about DeRosa remarked at how much time he spends preparing for each day’s show. He stays up late watching West-Coast games because, having played in the Pacific time zone, he worries the teams out there don’t get proper respect. While he watches, he texts producers ideas for the next day’s segments.

“A lot of athletes rest on their experience playing the game, and they can get by that way, but he studies it,” Shehadi said of her colleague. “He lives it, because he doesn’t want to say something wrong, as a tribute to the players who work so hard. I’ve never seen an analyst work as hard as he does.”

“DeRo is hard-core baseball analysis,” Capalbo said, “but he can flip it around on a dime and do a ‘50 Shade of Sonny Gray’ segment.”

MLB Central seeks to do a little bit of everything. It’s a credit to Vasgersian, Shehadi and especially DeRosa that the show manages to pull it off.

MLB Central is far from perfect. The bits don’t always work, some segments feel chaotic, and the inside jokes border on excessive. But those flaws are mostly side effects of the risk-taking that makes the show compelling.

On the day I visited the studio, MLB Central ran “DeRo’s Deep Dives,” “Hashtagging Up,” “Fill the Plate,” “Just Playin,” “Matty V’s Mixtape,” “Slot Machines” and “We’re Going Streaking.” When the hosts interviewed Houston Astros pitcher Tyler Clippard live via video call, DeRosa asked about his breakfast (That’s one of DeRo’s favorite shticks.) and golf. The show addressed all the big baseball news of the day—from Chad Bettis’ return from cancer to Giancarlo Stanton’s mad home run pace—in a way that was part college dorm room, part improv troupe.

MLB Central is not the only irreverent sports talk show on TV. It shares characteristics with half-hour ESPN programs Highly Questionable and SportsNation as well as another MLB Network talk show, Intentional Talk. But the way it blends humor, analysis, conversation and personality makes it something close to unique.

Of course, there’s sometimes a price to being different. Whether because of the content or the time slot or some other factor, MLB Central has not quite found its audience. According to data from SportsTVRatings.com, the show was often MLB Network’s least-watched program last fall, typically drawing fewer than 100,000 viewers a day and sometimes fewer than 50,000. Nearly three years in, it’s probably time to convert all that creativity into ratings.

But it doesn’t sound as if MLB Central will try a new formula any time soon. After Tuesday’s show, I sat on set with Vasgersian, Shehadi and DeRosa, chatting about how their show came to be and what makes it work. The three praised each other effusively and proudly took credit for the show’s tone and format. Shehadi said the looseness of the show derived from the hosts’ individual personalities and joint chemistry.

“You’d be hard-pressed to know when we’re on air,” she said. “If you’re just in this studio, I don’t think you’d know.”

Later, Vasgersian brought up a recurring segment called “Point, Counterpoint,” in which analysts discuss hot topics in baseball in hushed tones under dimmed lights, with split-screen cuts meant to gently mock the debate shows that dot sports television. In one recent edition, DeRosa and guest analyst Al Leiter dutifully played their roles until Vasgersian asked about Tim Tebow. Then they cracked up.

I asked Vasgersian, Shehadi and DeRosa what show—sports or otherwise—MLB Central most reminded them of. They all thought for a few moments but together failed to come up with an analogue.

“I don’t know,” DeRosa said. “I think that’s the beauty of it.”

About Alex Putterman

Alex is a writer and editor for The Comeback and Awful Announcing. He has written for The Atlantic, VICE Sports, MLB.com, SI.com and more. He is a proud alum of Northwestern University and The Daily Northwestern. You can find him on Twitter @AlexPutterman.

  • BobLee Says

    MLB Central is the ONLY daytime M-F “sports show” I watch any more. I went cold-turkey on ESPN and FS1 6-8 months ago. For all the reasons you mention PLUS “Shehottie” is BY FAR the #1 “gotta have a “she” on the set of any sports show anywhere. She meets all the visual requirements plus her snappy repartee with “the guys” seems so natural. …. I would like Intentional Talk IF Millar could just ratchet back the “wise-guy / class clown” schtick a few notches. … OH, did I mention I’ve NEVER heard MLB Central “go political”…. THANK YOU – THANK YOU – THANK YOU!

    • Shawn Diiorio

      How many shows have an attractive woman dressed like they are walking the streets for money? Sorry, but having one on shows these days has almost become mandatory, not a case to keep a show running.

      • Mike

        Shawn, in the Boston area, there’s been some press about that regarding the women TV news anchors. Some dress modestly and others can look like street walkers. Shehadi doesn’t usually dress like the latter. The show features 3 people with complementary strengths who seem to genuinely like each other and enjoy themselves. That helps make the show work. I agree with Bob Lee on Millar’s class clown bit. I know it’s part of who he is but a little decaf would help.

        • Shawn Diiorio

          Well, I saw a bit of the show on Friday, and I see Shehadi sitting, legs uncrossed, in at dress that if it were any shorter, the mystery would have been over. She had to put her hand over her crotch when she sat it was that short. In no proper circumstance should they have had her positioned like that unless they seem to like having pervs get their kicks, As for Shehadi, She’s either going to be uncomfortable in that position and does not want to speak up, or she’s fine with putting herself on display like that, which I don;t have an issue with if that is the case, but realize you are just feeding gas on the fire.
          We all know what sells to the 18-34 demo and how to sell to it. We just don’t talk about it on TV. And You can like whatever and whoever you want, the women can dress however they want, nut I can call things the way I see them. I respect your opinion, enough to say, I’m sorry, but that is how I saw that.

          • Mike

            I didn’t see that dress, but with it being that short, I take your point. That’s getting toward exhibitionism. Plus, it’s harder to take them seriously as journalists. She seems like a bright lady who is good at her job. She shouldn’t need to do that. But if she’s not going to complain, that’s her business. Some of the local anchors here have kept plastic surgeons busy. It’s unnecessary. If I want to look at scantily clad or naked women for that matter, I’m pretty sure I can find what I’m looking for on the internet.

          • Shawn Diiorio

            I will say she knows what she is talking about when it comes to baseball. I forgot to mention that before. Definitely more so than most in her position about the subject they cover. She does deserve credit for that.

        • BobLee Says

          I agree with all the comments re; “Shehottie”. MLB.com has three separate “pretty girls” thru out the M-F daytime programming. I find her (LS) the most enjoyable and, I admit, very attractive. NOTHING happens on a set like that that is not intentional and scripted. She dresses as she dresses and sits where/as she sits for a market-driven reason. They put her on a stool for a later segment.. for a reason. IMO… her personality complements her physical attributes.

    • Dooley

      I haven’t watched ESPN – other than for live games – in many, many years. The “yell and scream at each other” format doesn’t interest me in the slightest. Not to mention, I can do without the daily intentionally awful takes just to create headlines (and drive ratings). To me, that is not good, intelligent sports discussion. I like and appreciate sports talk that offers a fair amount of humor WITHOUT sacrificing good commentary. Nothing on ESPN offers that anymore and hasn’t for many years.

      MLB Central is the perfect show for baseball fans (passionate or casual) with a sense of humor. You’re going to get more laughs and more intelligent commentary in one show on MLB Central than you would watching any ESPN show over the course of a year.

      • BobLee Says

        Dooley… obviously I only “know you” from this comment but I bet you neither one of us are in ESPN CEO John Skipper’s target demographic. We would not be picked for any focus groups he would assemble.

        • Dooley

          Good point. Although I did notice a shift to the “yell and scream” format many years ago while I was in the target demographic. I guess they were just trying to deepen the roots for the inevitable change.

  • Awal

    MLB Central is decent programming.

    MLB Tonight is nigh unwatchable, and most of it is due to Harold Reynolds stupid “you computer nerds and your advance metrics” act. There are knowledgeable points to be made about the limitations of statistical analysis. Harold Reynolds has yet to ever make one of those points.

  • Fire Girardo Started 7/7/17

    I do like this show even though I dont watch it a lot. I dont really care for DeRosa though

  • Dooley

    MLB Central is probably my favorite show on TV, to be honest (I work from home and have it on every morning). Any show that can mix baseball with humor will interest me. Shows that can introduce fresh comedy to each show while still “deep diving” into statistics, player muscle and technique mechanics and roster evaluations is a home run (pardon the pun).

    First, I love Matt. I love his broadcasts of live baseball (Matty V and Smoltz are my favorite MLB tandem). His quick wit and general baseball takes make for interesting viewing.

    DeRo is in a class by himself as an analyst. One popular segment that you didn’t see (because the trade deadline passed) is “DeRo Demo”…a segment where DeRosa speculates on trades between “buyer” and “seller” clubs. His knowledge of each team’s top prospect pool and each club’s strengths/weaknesses is a true asset. So many analysts offer blank “Team X needs to trade for Player Y” without diving into the the quantity and quality of prospects that they would offer (and if the acquiring club even has good enough prospects to make a trade). Most of trade proposals make sense – for both clubs – even if they ruffle a few fanbase feathers. DeRo can just as easily fix a slumping player’s swing then propose a trade that makes sense for both clubs then joke about “getting it” on the streets of the Concrete Jungle of New Jersey.

    Lauren is the perfect studio host for the show. She has the professionalism to keep the show moving from segment to segment and the sense of humor to allow for a good amount of humor to be interjected. She also does not take herself too seriously – important for the good natured “boys club” ribbing she endures from both DeRo and Matt.

  • Nichlas

    Matty V is the best part of any baseball program on air. His insight is awesome, his humor is unmatched and he doesn’t take himself, the show, or life too seriously which I love. When they break strategy or plays, I always leave learning something new and the intelligence and thought with which they present their ideas is second to none in terms of breaking a sport down on any network. MLB Central has become a show I record if I can’t watch, Shehadi and DeRosa are the perfect compliment for Vasgersian and the chemistry with all of them comes off as effortless. It almost doesn’t feel like a show, it feels like people who genuinely get along having a discussion about baseball.